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Volume 3 # 6  May 2001

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Table of Contents

(editors note)

to the newest subscribers

From the Inbox..
letters to the editor.

Contributed items
Death Certificate of Harry G. Keeney

Also A Little History for a Change
(which has nothing to do with Keeney)


Keeney Update
has been published by   Roscoe C. Keeney, Jr. since December 1983

Back Issues
List of all posted issues  since the first issue in  December 1998


Hello Everyone,
    This issue only came together only because I check the various Keeney boards on a regular basis, and found the post by Gene Bonham looking for info on Harry G. Keeney.. I also received an e-mail from a close friend that was called "A little History for a Change", which I included for various reasons.

        Ok I asked for your thoughts on this newsletter & have received some input to the questions that I sent in the notice for the April issue. I thank each & everyone that took the time to respond to the questions which  were;

       1. Is this a useful newsletter?
       2. Would you like to see something changed?
Should I continue to attempt to do this on a monthly basis?

With out mentioning any names, here are some of the replies I got to the questions..

1. More interesting and informative as opposed to useful. I enjoy seeing the other comments, submissions, etc. I look at the family info submitted, but rarely add it to my data base as it is so far away from my own line. I'm not working too much on the Keeney line right now, but like to stay up to date.
3. I think you are doing a fabulous job and appreciate the time and energy you are putting into this.  However, if it is difficult to have enough information every month, then posting whenever you have something juicy sent in would make more sense.  I think Roscoe has run into the same dilemma with the Keeney Update.

1. I look forward to your newsletter.  I am enjoying the reprinting of the Keeney Updates, etc.
. If you changed the letter, how would you change it?  I think it's great the way it is.
3. I hope that you do continue on a monthly basis, however, I know it must be a lot of work for you.

1. I am very much enjoying the newsletter, although my Keeneys stayed east. Thanks for your efforts...

1. I personally enjoy getting and reading the KFG each month. 
2. If you are not getting enough responses/new material, perhaps you could try quarterly for awhile  --maybe that would jog people into contributing more???

1.  It's interesting sometimes but I usually just like to read the editor's comment. The descendants thing is usually not my thing because I don't know who those people are....
2.  Maybe the colors...it seems so dull...brighten it up a little...make it more cheery
3.  I think you should. It gives people a chance to hear about anything that's changed on your site.

1. Being new to Keeney family research and a relatively new subscriber, I've found the newsletter  very useful. It truly has advanced my work.
3.  I'd like the monthly schedule to continue, but understand your frustration with lack of submissions.

    As of the 28th of April I've only received 9 replies that's less then a 13% response, 6 of which are above (in part), if they had no suggestion on how I could change this newsletter I didn't include that response, so with this in mind this maybe the last monthly issue, but I will continue to post sporadically.



Welcome to the newest subscribers


Keeney Update volume 2 number 1 1984 and volume 17 number 1 2000

 To view these issues use the links found on the following page:

 Roscoe's Keeney Update


From the inbox.....

See the messages that prompted this

From: Bonham, Gene/Ikon <GBonham1@CH2M.com>
Friday, April 20, 2001 08:42
Subject: Harry G. Keeney postings

    Thanks for the offer to get me pointed in the right direction. I have had this object for 10 or so years and have always wondered if I could find him or a descendent. I am not telling anyone just what this is until I learn more about Harry G.. But it is a very nice item and in excellent condition. This object started being made in 1902, so I don't have to go back any farther than that. I got it from a older Gentleman who had had it for years. I think that we are talking from WW1-WW2 time frame. So their may be a chance that Harry G. could still be with us. This item also says he was a Officer. I am working on my family background now, that's how I found the area on the web I did. Thanks for your help.

From: Jerry Keeney
Date: Monday, April 23, 2001 00:57
Subject: Signup for KFG Newsletter

Please include me as a subscriber to your newsletter.  This is my work email, can you send it to my personnel one at jerryleekeeney@yahoo.com
I should have plenty of information to be able to contribute.  My father dropped off a box of newspaper clippings, pictures etc. - a lot of John Keeney Jr (1772-1845), and his father John Keeney.

Thanks, Jerry

A follow up dated Monday, April 23, 2001 13:50

I made a mistake, they weren't mostly about Jonathan, but Joseph Elias (rancher, trapper and such), including the newspaper clippings when he shot and killed a man in self defense.




  I'm including two sections of Ralph's book Wagon Ruts West this month.  ~Dan

linkWagon Ruts West installment #'s  5, & 6

NOTE: I've redone sections 1 - 4 to include the Family Tree at the beginning of each section as it is in the book. It took me awhile to figure out how to do this but I think I got it. Also included some of the pictures in the sections.

From the Guest book

Full Name:  Alyson Keeney
Date and Time: 4/1/2001, 7:17 PM

Comments:    I just wanted to comment what a terrific site this is. I am a descendant of Mark Keeney b. 1740 and Abigail Beeman b. 1739 and am preparing a genealogy for my Dad's (Clifford Emerson Keeney) 80th birthday. I would love help from any of one of the Keeney clan than may have information about Mark's parents and on back to Europe.

Thanks, Alyson

Found online @ http://genforum.genealogy.com/keeney/messages/441.html

Harry G Keeney US Army officer

Posted by Gene Bonham                           April 19, 2001 at 16:11:55
I am seeking info about Harry G, Keeney he was an Officer in the US Army, don't know when for sure. I do know it was between 1902 and now. I am seeking either him or a direct descendent. I have a very special piece of equipment with his name on it. I would like this item to find it's way back to him or his family. Thank you.

My post in reply:     April 19, 2001 at 21:03:43

You may want to post your message on some of the other Keeney boards contact me & I'll supply you with the addresses.   Dan Keeney

I did some searching online for Harry G. Keeney & came up with the following items; (which I sent to Gene)

    I just checked my database and found, Harry Garfield Keeney (1881 - 1936) he lived in Salem, Marion Co., Oregon at the time of his death. I do not have any descendents listed for him.

On Ancestry.com I found; Database: Berks County, Pennsylvania Service Roster, 1917-18
Washington Camp # 597 / Town in PA Rehrersburg / Name Keeney, Harry

From: http://www.military-net.com/charlie/history.htm

    On December 5, 1899 the company was reorganized and a Separate Company and redesignated as Company "A" Fourth Infantry on May 5, 1900. The company was again reorganized and redesignated as Third Company, Oregon Coast Artillery when the Fourth Infantry was disbanded on December 13, 1911. The company furnished men for the 65th, and 69th Regiments for World War 1. Following the First world War the Company was again reorganized as Company "C", Third Infantry, under the command of Captain Harry G. Keeney, Federal recognition was extended to the Company, June 30, 1919.


So now the questions are.

Are Harry Garfield Keeney & Harry G. the same man? (Roscoe says yes)

Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:48:03
To: <>
From: Roscoe Keeney <>
Subject: Captain Harry G. Keeney

Harry Garfield Keeney b.1880 in Multnomah Co OR m. Bertha Bell (b.1885 in IL; Capt. in US Army WW1, Funeral Director 1921-39; son: Harold A. Keeney b.1905 in Washington state son of James M. Keeney (1853-1913) & Mary Handsaker; listed in 1880 Lane Co census (also listed in Wagon Wheels West)
grandson of Andrew Jackson Keeney & Hannah Daniels Cooper (2nd of Andrew's  three wives) great grandson of John Keeney Jr & Mary Buckhalter Keeney (married in Tennessee in 1803) great grandson of John Jonathan Keeney     RK
Ref: KEENEY UPDATE Vol XI, No 3 Sept 1994: HARRY GARFIELD KEENEY b.20 Oct 1881 at Goshen OR, d.7 Oct 1936 at Salem OR; m. Delia G. Tibbets (1894-1964) no children;  this does not agree with the 1920 census record.

Are there any living descendants in his line?  


Gene sent back the following  items:

This is just to cool. I got the item from Lt. Col. Frank Finch retired. I got it in 1985, Frank was 90 years old. He got it from someone other than Harry G. in 1920.  He knew the second owner and had always rather admired this item. Then one of the 2 were transferred and lost contact with each other.Several years later he received a package in the mail from his friends wife, it contained the mystery item. She knew that Frank had always liked it, The letter that was with it said that her husband had died and thought that Frank would like to have it. Frank sent her some money to help her out and thanked her.  Later Frank had learned that his friend had committed suicide. While he was away on maneuvers, his wife had become pregnant by a enlisted man, and he could not take the shame. This is the story of "The item". I will reveal it at the right time.
So far this seems to fit. The item was produced from 1902-1925. I sure hope that someone from his family is around. The funny thing about this is that I am in Corvallis, OR. Salem is about 40 miles north. If you would be so kind to include something of this, in your newsletter it would be great. I will let you know just what this item is. I will send a jpeg of it. Thanks for your help.

Friday, April 27, 2001 08:19
Subject: Harry G. Keeney, Certificate of Death

This is getting to weird. I was talking to a older  gent I know who has lived around this area for all his life and it turns out that he knew about  Harry G., he said that there used to be a undertaker  here in town by that name. Harry had a daughter that this gent was "sweet on". Then after he told me this story I got the Certificate of Death. I have  been looking all over the states and good ol Harry G. was right under my nose all the time. But I still need a family member. This is going well.  Thanks again of your  help.


Contributed Items

This was e-mailed to me by a close friend.

    A New Orleans lawyer sought an FHA loan for a client. He was told the loan would be granted if he could prove satisfactory title to a parcel of property being offered as collateral. The title to the property dated back to 1803, which took the lawyer 3 months to track down. After sending the information to the FHA, he received the following reply (actual letter):

    "Upon review of your letter adjoining your client's loan application, we note that the request is supported by an Abstract of Title. While we compliment the able manner in which you have prepared and presented an application, we must point out that you have only cleared title to the proposed collateral property back to 1803. Before final approval can be accorded, it will be necessary to clear title back to its origin."

    Annoyed, the lawyer responded as follows (actual letter):

    "Your letter regarding title in Case 189156 has been received. I note that you wish to have title extended further than the 194 years covered by the present application. I was unaware that any educated person in this country, particularly those working in the property area, would not know that Louisiana was purchased by the U.S. from France in 1803, the year of origin identified in our application. For the edification of uninformed FHA bureaucrats, the title to land prior to U.S. ownership was obtained from France, which had acquired it by Right of Conquest from Spain. The land came into possession of Spain by Right of Discovery made in the year 1492, by a sea captain named Christopher Columbus, who had been granted the privilege of seeking a new route to India by then reigning monarch, Isabella. The good queen, being a pious woman and careful about titles, (almost as much as the FHA), took the precaution of securing the blessing of the Pope before she sold her jewels to fund Columbus' expedition. Now the Pope, as I'm sure you know, is the emissary of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. And God, it is commonly accepted, created this world. Therefore, I believe it is safe to presume that He also made that part of the world called Louisiana. He, therefore, would be the owner of origin. I hope you find His original claim to be satisfactory. Now, may we have our loan?"

    They got it!!

Death Certificate of Harry G. Keeney.

HarryGKeeneyDC.jpg (133375 bytes)


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